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I've read Alex Martelli post in favor of this option on various questions at Stack Overflow. The cons are, the user of the package has to import seperate modules and call them with the dot notation.</p></li><li class="_3gqTEjt4x9UIIpWiro7YXz"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">Import all modules in <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">__init__.py</code>. The user doesn't have to do multiple imports. The cons are explicit vs implicit, and also as Martelli puts it (paraphrased), "if that's how your package works, maybe it should all go in a single module anyway".</p></li><li class="_3gqTEjt4x9UIIpWiro7YXz"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">Import key functions from various modules directly into the package namespace. If you restructure modules, you still have the option to keep the same API for end users. Cons, it dirties the namespace, and very implicit / hacky.</p></li></ol><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">I've been looking around at Github, and I've seen all 3 approaches in various projects. So I'm guessing there isn't really a consensus on what is the best practice.</p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">I'm really interested in hearing from the pros, how they think about this, what they do, what they suggest... Or maybe there are subtleties that I'm missing... Any help is appreciated.</p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">Thanks in advance</p><hr class="_2ACwpV3Y0LKhHHKbsxNmmY"/><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">EDIT: Thanks a lot for all the great posts! They provide a lot to think about.</p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">A couple of people asked about links, so here are a few I found to be useful:</p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM"><a href="http://guide.python-distribute.org/introduction.html" class="_3t5uN8xUmg0TOwRCOGQEcU" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow ugc" target="_blank">http://guide.python-distribute.org/introduction.html</a></p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM"><a href="http://docs.python-guide.org/en/latest/writing/structure/" class="_3t5uN8xUmg0TOwRCOGQEcU" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow ugc" target="_blank">http://docs.python-guide.org/en/latest/writing/structure/</a></p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM"><a href="http://foobar.lu/wp/2012/05/13/a-comprehensive-step-through-python-packaging-a-k-a-setup-scripts/" class="_3t5uN8xUmg0TOwRCOGQEcU" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow ugc" target="_blank">http://foobar.lu/wp/2012/05/13/a-comprehensive-step-through-python-packaging-a-k-a-setup-scripts/</a></p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">(If you have links to other good guides to packaging, they'd be appreciated!)</p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">And the Stack Overflow posts I mentioned:</p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM"><a href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1801878/the-pythonic-way-of-organizing-modules-and-packages" class="_3t5uN8xUmg0TOwRCOGQEcU" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow ugc" target="_blank">http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1801878/the-pythonic-way-of-organizing-modules-and-packages</a></p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM"><a href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1944569/how-do-i-write-good-correct-init-py-files" class="_3t5uN8xUmg0TOwRCOGQEcU" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow ugc" target="_blank">http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1944569/how-do-i-write-good-correct-init-py-files</a></p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM"><a href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2360724/in-python-what-exactly-does-import-import" class="_3t5uN8xUmg0TOwRCOGQEcU" 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For me, it's about declaring a 'public' API for the module, e.g.</p><pre class="_3GnarIQX9tD_qsgXkfSDz1"><code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">stuff/
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</code></pre><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">And __init__.py would have:</p><pre class="_3GnarIQX9tD_qsgXkfSDz1"><code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">from bigstuff import Stuffinator, Stuffinatrix
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Rather than being implicit, I find it's rather explicit.</p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div id="t1_c95ey1k" style="padding-left:37px" tabindex="-1" class="_3sf33-9rVAO_v4y0pIW_CH "><div class="_1DooEIX-1Nj5rweIc5cw_E"><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95cjs5"><i class="threadline"></i></div><div class="_3Wv3am0TXfTcugZJ6niui"><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95ey1k"><i class="threadline"></i></div></div></div><div class="P8SGAKMtRxNwlmLz1zdJu Comment t1_c95ey1k "><div class="_1E9mcoVn4MYnuBQSVDt1gC kB7GZ7EzNg1Msq-nEnY0z"><button aria-label="upvote" aria-pressed="false" class="voteButton _2m5vzALl8kQdr9kwIFUo5t " data-click-id="upvote"><span class="_3wVayy5JvIMI67DheMYra2 _3SUsITjKNQ7Tp0Wi2jGxIM _22nWXKAY6OzAfK5GcUqWV2 qW0l8Af61EP35WIG6vnGk _3edNsMs0PNfyQYofMNVhsG"><i class="icon icon-upvote _2Jxk822qXs4DaXwsN7yyHA _39UOLMgvssWenwbRxz_iEn"></i></span></button><button aria-label="downvote" aria-pressed="false" class="voteButton _2m5vzALl8kQdr9kwIFUo5t " data-click-id="downvote"><span class="jR747Vd1NbfaLusf5bHre Q0BxYHtCOJ_rNSPJMU2Y7 _22nWXKAY6OzAfK5GcUqWV2 _2fe-KdD2OM0ciaiux-G1EL _3yQIOwaIuF6gn8db96Gu7y"><i class="icon icon-downvote ZyxIIl4FP5gHGrJDzNpUC _2GCoZTwJW7199HSwNZwlHk"></i></span></button></div><div class="_3tw__eCCe7j-epNCKGXUKk "><span class="_1RIl585IYPW6cmNXwgRz0J">level 2</span><div class="_1S45SPAIb30fsXtEcKPSdt _3ezOJqKdLbgkHsXcfvS5SA "><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa">10 points</span><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa"> · </span><a href="/r/Python/comments/1bbbwk/whats_your_opinion_on_what_to_include_in_init_py/c95ey1k/" id="CommentTopMeta--Created--t1_c95ey1k" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="_1sA-1jNHouHDpgCp1fCQ_F"><span>6 years ago</span></a><div class="_2LeW9tc_6Fs1n7Ou8uD-70"></div></div><div data-test-id="comment" class="_3cjCphgls6DH-irkVaA0GM"><div theme="[object Object]" style="color:#1A1A1B" class="_292iotee39Lmt0MkQZ2hPV RichTextJSON-root"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">also, flat is better than nested, really.</p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">having to import stuff from various places to make basic uses of the api work is very much against python’s philosophy.</p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">as for the .api subpackage: why not just use <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">__init__.py</code>? it’s less stuff to type and remember and feels like a pretty natural place for the “public API”.</p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div id="continueThread-t1_c95ey1k" style="padding-left:42px" tabindex="-1" class="_3sf33-9rVAO_v4y0pIW_CH "><div class="_1DooEIX-1Nj5rweIc5cw_E"><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95cjs5"><i class="threadline"></i></div><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95ey1k"><i class="threadline"></i></div></div><div class="_3ndawrYzcvjHPJFYUHijfP "><a class="b57A3J7QBa7TvY8XeupVn" href="/r/Python/comments/1bbbwk/whats_your_opinion_on_what_to_include_in_init_py/c95ey1k"><span class="_2bsN7AuzEexqxXD-vhOkM7">Continue this thread</span> <svg class="egHA5MD_goQfvgLP3zgST" viewBox="0 0 11.4 11.4" version="1.1" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path fill="inherit" d="m11.17929,5.99479c0.08081,-0.19519 0.08081,-0.41599 0,-0.61118c-0.0408,-0.0984 -0.0992,-0.1864 -0.17361,-0.2608l-4.79963,-4.79911c-0.31283,-0.3128 -0.81847,-0.3128 -1.1313,0c-0.31283,0.31279 -0.31283,0.81918 0,1.13118l3.43471,3.43433l-7.66949,0c-0.44244,0 -0.80007,0.3584 -0.80007,0.79999c0,0.44159 0.35763,0.79999 0.80007,0.79999l7.66949,0l-3.43471,3.43433c-0.31283,0.3128 -0.31283,0.81919 0,1.13118c0.15601,0.156 0.36083,0.2344 0.56565,0.2344c0.20482,0 0.40964,-0.0784 0.56565,-0.2344l4.79963,-4.79911c0.07441,-0.0744 0.13281,-0.1624 0.17361,-0.2608"></path></g></svg></a></div></div></div></div><div><div><div id="t1_c95f5v9" style="padding-left:37px" tabindex="-1" class="_3sf33-9rVAO_v4y0pIW_CH "><div class="_1DooEIX-1Nj5rweIc5cw_E"><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95cjs5"><i class="threadline"></i></div><div class="_3Wv3am0TXfTcugZJ6niui"><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95f5v9"><i class="threadline"></i></div></div></div><div class="P8SGAKMtRxNwlmLz1zdJu Comment t1_c95f5v9 "><div class="_1E9mcoVn4MYnuBQSVDt1gC kB7GZ7EzNg1Msq-nEnY0z"><button aria-label="upvote" aria-pressed="false" class="voteButton _2m5vzALl8kQdr9kwIFUo5t " data-click-id="upvote"><span class="_3wVayy5JvIMI67DheMYra2 _3SUsITjKNQ7Tp0Wi2jGxIM _22nWXKAY6OzAfK5GcUqWV2 qW0l8Af61EP35WIG6vnGk _3edNsMs0PNfyQYofMNVhsG"><i class="icon icon-upvote _2Jxk822qXs4DaXwsN7yyHA _39UOLMgvssWenwbRxz_iEn"></i></span></button><button aria-label="downvote" aria-pressed="false" class="voteButton _2m5vzALl8kQdr9kwIFUo5t " data-click-id="downvote"><span class="jR747Vd1NbfaLusf5bHre Q0BxYHtCOJ_rNSPJMU2Y7 _22nWXKAY6OzAfK5GcUqWV2 _2fe-KdD2OM0ciaiux-G1EL _3yQIOwaIuF6gn8db96Gu7y"><i class="icon icon-downvote ZyxIIl4FP5gHGrJDzNpUC _2GCoZTwJW7199HSwNZwlHk"></i></span></button></div><div class="_3tw__eCCe7j-epNCKGXUKk "><span class="_1RIl585IYPW6cmNXwgRz0J">level 2</span><div class="_1S45SPAIb30fsXtEcKPSdt _3ezOJqKdLbgkHsXcfvS5SA "><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa">4 points</span><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa"> · </span><a href="/r/Python/comments/1bbbwk/whats_your_opinion_on_what_to_include_in_init_py/c95f5v9/" id="CommentTopMeta--Created--t1_c95f5v9" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="_1sA-1jNHouHDpgCp1fCQ_F"><span>6 years ago</span></a><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa"> · </span><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ uMVXpG5M2xxHNW2g94S8K">edited 6 years ago</span><div class="_2LeW9tc_6Fs1n7Ou8uD-70"></div></div><div data-test-id="comment" class="_3cjCphgls6DH-irkVaA0GM"><div theme="[object Object]" style="color:#1A1A1B" class="_292iotee39Lmt0MkQZ2hPV RichTextJSON-root"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">I think this is a very bad idea as it will create a coupling between all modules. For example if you want to write a unittest that imports stuff/bigstuff.py, it will break if something is wrong in stuff/otherfile.py as otherfile.py is imported in <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">__init__.py</code>.</p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">It is also very annoying when you want to use some parts of an API without importing everything.</p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">Sometimes one of the module is slow to load, and now you are forced to load it because it is in the <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">__init__.py</code> .</p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">I highly recommend option 1. You always will get trouble with 2 or 3.</p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div id="continueThread-t1_c95f5v9" style="padding-left:42px" tabindex="-1" class="_3sf33-9rVAO_v4y0pIW_CH "><div class="_1DooEIX-1Nj5rweIc5cw_E"><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95cjs5"><i class="threadline"></i></div><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95f5v9"><i class="threadline"></i></div></div><div class="_3ndawrYzcvjHPJFYUHijfP "><a class="b57A3J7QBa7TvY8XeupVn" href="/r/Python/comments/1bbbwk/whats_your_opinion_on_what_to_include_in_init_py/c95f5v9"><span class="_2bsN7AuzEexqxXD-vhOkM7">Continue this thread</span> <svg class="egHA5MD_goQfvgLP3zgST" viewBox="0 0 11.4 11.4" version="1.1" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path fill="inherit" d="m11.17929,5.99479c0.08081,-0.19519 0.08081,-0.41599 0,-0.61118c-0.0408,-0.0984 -0.0992,-0.1864 -0.17361,-0.2608l-4.79963,-4.79911c-0.31283,-0.3128 -0.81847,-0.3128 -1.1313,0c-0.31283,0.31279 -0.31283,0.81918 0,1.13118l3.43471,3.43433l-7.66949,0c-0.44244,0 -0.80007,0.3584 -0.80007,0.79999c0,0.44159 0.35763,0.79999 0.80007,0.79999l7.66949,0l-3.43471,3.43433c-0.31283,0.3128 -0.31283,0.81919 0,1.13118c0.15601,0.156 0.36083,0.2344 0.56565,0.2344c0.20482,0 0.40964,-0.0784 0.56565,-0.2344l4.79963,-4.79911c0.07441,-0.0744 0.13281,-0.1624 0.17361,-0.2608"></path></g></svg></a></div></div></div></div><div><div><div id="t1_c95fjfq" style="padding-left:37px" tabindex="-1" class="_3sf33-9rVAO_v4y0pIW_CH "><div class="_1DooEIX-1Nj5rweIc5cw_E"><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95cjs5"><i class="threadline"></i></div><div class="_3Wv3am0TXfTcugZJ6niui"><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95fjfq"><i class="threadline"></i></div></div></div><div class="P8SGAKMtRxNwlmLz1zdJu Comment t1_c95fjfq "><div class="_1E9mcoVn4MYnuBQSVDt1gC kB7GZ7EzNg1Msq-nEnY0z"><button aria-label="upvote" aria-pressed="false" class="voteButton _2m5vzALl8kQdr9kwIFUo5t " data-click-id="upvote"><span class="_3wVayy5JvIMI67DheMYra2 _3SUsITjKNQ7Tp0Wi2jGxIM _22nWXKAY6OzAfK5GcUqWV2 qW0l8Af61EP35WIG6vnGk _3edNsMs0PNfyQYofMNVhsG"><i class="icon icon-upvote _2Jxk822qXs4DaXwsN7yyHA _39UOLMgvssWenwbRxz_iEn"></i></span></button><button aria-label="downvote" aria-pressed="false" class="voteButton _2m5vzALl8kQdr9kwIFUo5t " data-click-id="downvote"><span class="jR747Vd1NbfaLusf5bHre Q0BxYHtCOJ_rNSPJMU2Y7 _22nWXKAY6OzAfK5GcUqWV2 _2fe-KdD2OM0ciaiux-G1EL _3yQIOwaIuF6gn8db96Gu7y"><i class="icon icon-downvote ZyxIIl4FP5gHGrJDzNpUC _2GCoZTwJW7199HSwNZwlHk"></i></span></button></div><div class="_3tw__eCCe7j-epNCKGXUKk "><span class="_1RIl585IYPW6cmNXwgRz0J">level 2</span><div class="_1S45SPAIb30fsXtEcKPSdt _3ezOJqKdLbgkHsXcfvS5SA "><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa">2 points</span><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa"> · </span><a href="/r/Python/comments/1bbbwk/whats_your_opinion_on_what_to_include_in_init_py/c95fjfq/" id="CommentTopMeta--Created--t1_c95fjfq" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="_1sA-1jNHouHDpgCp1fCQ_F"><span>6 years ago</span></a><div class="_2LeW9tc_6Fs1n7Ou8uD-70"></div></div><div data-test-id="comment" class="_3cjCphgls6DH-irkVaA0GM"><div theme="[object Object]" style="color:#1A1A1B" class="_292iotee39Lmt0MkQZ2hPV RichTextJSON-root"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">I do similar things. I think it's a nicer user experience. I normally will define <strong class="_12FoOEddL7j_RgMQN0SNeU">all</strong> in the module i want to bring into init and then import * don't need to worry about the coupling then</p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div id="continueThread-t1_c95fjfq" style="padding-left:42px" tabindex="-1" class="_3sf33-9rVAO_v4y0pIW_CH "><div class="_1DooEIX-1Nj5rweIc5cw_E"><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95cjs5"><i class="threadline"></i></div><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95fjfq"><i class="threadline"></i></div></div><div class="_3ndawrYzcvjHPJFYUHijfP "><a class="b57A3J7QBa7TvY8XeupVn" href="/r/Python/comments/1bbbwk/whats_your_opinion_on_what_to_include_in_init_py/c95fjfq"><span class="_2bsN7AuzEexqxXD-vhOkM7">Continue this thread</span> <svg class="egHA5MD_goQfvgLP3zgST" viewBox="0 0 11.4 11.4" version="1.1" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path fill="inherit" d="m11.17929,5.99479c0.08081,-0.19519 0.08081,-0.41599 0,-0.61118c-0.0408,-0.0984 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_3ezOJqKdLbgkHsXcfvS5SA "><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa">13 points</span><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa"> · </span><a href="/r/Python/comments/1bbbwk/whats_your_opinion_on_what_to_include_in_init_py/c95eiwn/" id="CommentTopMeta--Created--t1_c95eiwn" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="_1sA-1jNHouHDpgCp1fCQ_F"><span>6 years ago</span></a><div class="_2LeW9tc_6Fs1n7Ou8uD-70"></div></div><div data-test-id="comment" class="_3cjCphgls6DH-irkVaA0GM"><div theme="[object Object]" style="color:#1A1A1B" class="_292iotee39Lmt0MkQZ2hPV RichTextJSON-root"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">Don't forget <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">__doc__</code> with decent sample usage.</p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div id="t1_c95n1b2" style="padding-left:37px" tabindex="-1" class="_3sf33-9rVAO_v4y0pIW_CH "><div class="_1DooEIX-1Nj5rweIc5cw_E"><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95dsuy"><i 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class="_3tw__eCCe7j-epNCKGXUKk "><span class="_1RIl585IYPW6cmNXwgRz0J">level 2</span><div class="_1S45SPAIb30fsXtEcKPSdt _3ezOJqKdLbgkHsXcfvS5SA "><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa">1 point</span><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa"> · </span><a href="/r/Python/comments/1bbbwk/whats_your_opinion_on_what_to_include_in_init_py/c95n1b2/" id="CommentTopMeta--Created--t1_c95n1b2" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="_1sA-1jNHouHDpgCp1fCQ_F"><span>6 years ago</span></a><div class="_2LeW9tc_6Fs1n7Ou8uD-70"></div></div><div data-test-id="comment" class="_3cjCphgls6DH-irkVaA0GM"><div theme="[object Object]" style="color:#1A1A1B" class="_292iotee39Lmt0MkQZ2hPV RichTextJSON-root"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">I've been trying to get my head around versions and dependencies in Python lately, and it seems complicated. Is the version being in <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">__init__.py</code> useful outside of a user reading it? 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You start out with your library having a package "foo" and a module "bar". Users make use of things inside of "bar" like, <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">from foo.bar import x, y, z</code>. Then one day, "bar" starts getting really big, the implementations for things become more complex and broken out, features are added. The way you deal with this is by making <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">bar.py</code> into a package, and the <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">__init__.py</code> inside of <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">bar/</code> essentially replaces <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">bar.py</code>. Your users see no change in API, and there's no need for them to learn exactly which submodule inside the new <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">bar</code> package they need to use (nor should there be, as things can keep changing many more times - it wouldn't be correct to expose the userbase to each of those changes when it's entirely unnecessary).</p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">There's nothing hacky about this at all, it's how <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">__init__.py</code> is meant to be used, and to those saying "explicit is better than implicit" I'd counter with "practicality beats purity" and "flat is better than nested", not to mention <a href="http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/#a-foolish-consistency-is-the-hobgoblin-of-little-minds" class="_3t5uN8xUmg0TOwRCOGQEcU" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow ugc" target="_blank">a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds</a>.</p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div id="t1_c95wyu5" style="padding-left:37px" tabindex="-1" class="_3sf33-9rVAO_v4y0pIW_CH "><div class="_1DooEIX-1Nj5rweIc5cw_E"><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95ravk"><i class="threadline"></i></div><div class="_3Wv3am0TXfTcugZJ6niui"><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95wyu5"><i class="threadline"></i></div></div></div><div class="P8SGAKMtRxNwlmLz1zdJu Comment t1_c95wyu5 "><div class="_1E9mcoVn4MYnuBQSVDt1gC kB7GZ7EzNg1Msq-nEnY0z"><button aria-label="upvote" aria-pressed="false" class="voteButton _2m5vzALl8kQdr9kwIFUo5t " data-click-id="upvote"><span class="_3wVayy5JvIMI67DheMYra2 _3SUsITjKNQ7Tp0Wi2jGxIM _22nWXKAY6OzAfK5GcUqWV2 qW0l8Af61EP35WIG6vnGk _3edNsMs0PNfyQYofMNVhsG"><i class="icon icon-upvote _2Jxk822qXs4DaXwsN7yyHA _39UOLMgvssWenwbRxz_iEn"></i></span></button><button aria-label="downvote" aria-pressed="false" class="voteButton _2m5vzALl8kQdr9kwIFUo5t " data-click-id="downvote"><span class="jR747Vd1NbfaLusf5bHre Q0BxYHtCOJ_rNSPJMU2Y7 _22nWXKAY6OzAfK5GcUqWV2 _2fe-KdD2OM0ciaiux-G1EL _3yQIOwaIuF6gn8db96Gu7y"><i class="icon icon-downvote ZyxIIl4FP5gHGrJDzNpUC _2GCoZTwJW7199HSwNZwlHk"></i></span></button></div><div class="_3tw__eCCe7j-epNCKGXUKk "><span class="_1RIl585IYPW6cmNXwgRz0J">level 2</span><div class="_1S45SPAIb30fsXtEcKPSdt _3ezOJqKdLbgkHsXcfvS5SA "><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa">1 point</span><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa"> · </span><a href="/r/Python/comments/1bbbwk/whats_your_opinion_on_what_to_include_in_init_py/c95wyu5/" id="CommentTopMeta--Created--t1_c95wyu5" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="_1sA-1jNHouHDpgCp1fCQ_F"><span>6 years ago</span></a><div class="_2LeW9tc_6Fs1n7Ou8uD-70"></div></div><div data-test-id="comment" class="_3cjCphgls6DH-irkVaA0GM"><div theme="[object Object]" style="color:#1A1A1B" class="_292iotee39Lmt0MkQZ2hPV RichTextJSON-root"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">"There's nothing hacky about this at all"</p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">Damn right! You are writing an API to your package. Write a good API for your users and don't couple that with your internal implementation. "explicit is better than implicit" does not mean "write leaky abstractions".</p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div id="t1_c95ddfu" style="padding-left:16px" tabindex="-1" class="_3sf33-9rVAO_v4y0pIW_CH "><div class="_1DooEIX-1Nj5rweIc5cw_E"><div class="_3Wv3am0TXfTcugZJ6niui"><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95ddfu"><i class="threadline"></i></div></div></div><div class="P8SGAKMtRxNwlmLz1zdJu Comment t1_c95ddfu _1z5rdmX8TDr6mqwNv7A70U"><div class="_1E9mcoVn4MYnuBQSVDt1gC kB7GZ7EzNg1Msq-nEnY0z"><button aria-label="upvote" aria-pressed="false" class="voteButton _2m5vzALl8kQdr9kwIFUo5t " data-click-id="upvote"><span class="_3wVayy5JvIMI67DheMYra2 _3SUsITjKNQ7Tp0Wi2jGxIM _22nWXKAY6OzAfK5GcUqWV2 qW0l8Af61EP35WIG6vnGk _3edNsMs0PNfyQYofMNVhsG"><i class="icon icon-upvote _2Jxk822qXs4DaXwsN7yyHA _39UOLMgvssWenwbRxz_iEn"></i></span></button><button aria-label="downvote" aria-pressed="false" class="voteButton _2m5vzALl8kQdr9kwIFUo5t " data-click-id="downvote"><span class="jR747Vd1NbfaLusf5bHre Q0BxYHtCOJ_rNSPJMU2Y7 _22nWXKAY6OzAfK5GcUqWV2 _2fe-KdD2OM0ciaiux-G1EL _3yQIOwaIuF6gn8db96Gu7y"><i class="icon icon-downvote ZyxIIl4FP5gHGrJDzNpUC _2GCoZTwJW7199HSwNZwlHk"></i></span></button></div><div class="_3tw__eCCe7j-epNCKGXUKk "><span class="_1RIl585IYPW6cmNXwgRz0J">level 1</span><div class="_1S45SPAIb30fsXtEcKPSdt _3ezOJqKdLbgkHsXcfvS5SA "><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa">10 points</span><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa"> · </span><a href="/r/Python/comments/1bbbwk/whats_your_opinion_on_what_to_include_in_init_py/c95ddfu/" id="CommentTopMeta--Created--t1_c95ddfu" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="_1sA-1jNHouHDpgCp1fCQ_F"><span>6 years ago</span></a><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa"> · </span><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ uMVXpG5M2xxHNW2g94S8K">edited 6 years ago</span><div class="_2LeW9tc_6Fs1n7Ou8uD-70"></div></div><div data-test-id="comment" class="_3cjCphgls6DH-irkVaA0GM"><div theme="[object Object]" style="color:#1A1A1B" class="_292iotee39Lmt0MkQZ2hPV RichTextJSON-root"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">I like importing key functions and classes. Flat is better than nested, so as a user of a library, I prefer <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">from library import ThingIWant</code> or <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">import library</code> and then using <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">library.ThingIWant</code> rather than <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">from library.things.thing_i_want import ThingIWant</code>.</p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">More specifically, I would often have the contents of <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">__init__.py</code> be:</p><pre class="_3GnarIQX9tD_qsgXkfSDz1"><code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">"""Docstring explaining package"""
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</code></pre><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">And then have each module use <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">__all__</code> to specify which names constitute its public API that should be exposed by the package.</p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">For something you are distributing publicly, I don't think your <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">__init__.py</code> should ever by "blank" as specified by option 1: you should at least include a docstring explaining what the package does. This will help users poking around in ipython, etc.</p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div id="t1_c95ijh5" style="padding-left:16px" tabindex="-1" class="_3sf33-9rVAO_v4y0pIW_CH "><div class="_1DooEIX-1Nj5rweIc5cw_E"><div class="_3Wv3am0TXfTcugZJ6niui"><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95ijh5"><i class="threadline"></i></div></div></div><div class="P8SGAKMtRxNwlmLz1zdJu Comment t1_c95ijh5 _1z5rdmX8TDr6mqwNv7A70U"><div class="_1E9mcoVn4MYnuBQSVDt1gC kB7GZ7EzNg1Msq-nEnY0z"><button aria-label="upvote" aria-pressed="false" class="voteButton _2m5vzALl8kQdr9kwIFUo5t " data-click-id="upvote"><span class="_3wVayy5JvIMI67DheMYra2 _3SUsITjKNQ7Tp0Wi2jGxIM _22nWXKAY6OzAfK5GcUqWV2 qW0l8Af61EP35WIG6vnGk _3edNsMs0PNfyQYofMNVhsG"><i class="icon icon-upvote _2Jxk822qXs4DaXwsN7yyHA _39UOLMgvssWenwbRxz_iEn"></i></span></button><button aria-label="downvote" aria-pressed="false" class="voteButton _2m5vzALl8kQdr9kwIFUo5t " data-click-id="downvote"><span class="jR747Vd1NbfaLusf5bHre Q0BxYHtCOJ_rNSPJMU2Y7 _22nWXKAY6OzAfK5GcUqWV2 _2fe-KdD2OM0ciaiux-G1EL _3yQIOwaIuF6gn8db96Gu7y"><i class="icon icon-downvote ZyxIIl4FP5gHGrJDzNpUC _2GCoZTwJW7199HSwNZwlHk"></i></span></button></div><div class="_3tw__eCCe7j-epNCKGXUKk "><span class="_1RIl585IYPW6cmNXwgRz0J">level 1</span><div class="_1S45SPAIb30fsXtEcKPSdt _3ezOJqKdLbgkHsXcfvS5SA "><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa">10 points</span><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa"> · </span><a href="/r/Python/comments/1bbbwk/whats_your_opinion_on_what_to_include_in_init_py/c95ijh5/" id="CommentTopMeta--Created--t1_c95ijh5" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="_1sA-1jNHouHDpgCp1fCQ_F"><span>6 years ago</span></a><div class="_2LeW9tc_6Fs1n7Ou8uD-70"></div></div><div data-test-id="comment" class="_3cjCphgls6DH-irkVaA0GM"><div theme="[object Object]" style="color:#1A1A1B" class="_292iotee39Lmt0MkQZ2hPV RichTextJSON-root"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">Nothing. Explicit is better than implicit.</p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div id="t1_c95bx82" style="padding-left:16px" tabindex="-1" class="_3sf33-9rVAO_v4y0pIW_CH "><div class="_1DooEIX-1Nj5rweIc5cw_E"><div class="_3Wv3am0TXfTcugZJ6niui"><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95bx82"><i class="threadline"></i></div></div></div><div class="P8SGAKMtRxNwlmLz1zdJu Comment t1_c95bx82 _1z5rdmX8TDr6mqwNv7A70U"><div class="_1E9mcoVn4MYnuBQSVDt1gC kB7GZ7EzNg1Msq-nEnY0z"><button aria-label="upvote" aria-pressed="false" class="voteButton _2m5vzALl8kQdr9kwIFUo5t " data-click-id="upvote"><span class="_3wVayy5JvIMI67DheMYra2 _3SUsITjKNQ7Tp0Wi2jGxIM _22nWXKAY6OzAfK5GcUqWV2 qW0l8Af61EP35WIG6vnGk _3edNsMs0PNfyQYofMNVhsG"><i class="icon icon-upvote _2Jxk822qXs4DaXwsN7yyHA _39UOLMgvssWenwbRxz_iEn"></i></span></button><button aria-label="downvote" aria-pressed="false" class="voteButton _2m5vzALl8kQdr9kwIFUo5t " data-click-id="downvote"><span class="jR747Vd1NbfaLusf5bHre Q0BxYHtCOJ_rNSPJMU2Y7 _22nWXKAY6OzAfK5GcUqWV2 _2fe-KdD2OM0ciaiux-G1EL _3yQIOwaIuF6gn8db96Gu7y"><i class="icon icon-downvote ZyxIIl4FP5gHGrJDzNpUC _2GCoZTwJW7199HSwNZwlHk"></i></span></button></div><div class="_3tw__eCCe7j-epNCKGXUKk "><span class="_1RIl585IYPW6cmNXwgRz0J">level 1</span><div class="_1S45SPAIb30fsXtEcKPSdt _3ezOJqKdLbgkHsXcfvS5SA "><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa">8 points</span><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa"> · </span><a href="/r/Python/comments/1bbbwk/whats_your_opinion_on_what_to_include_in_init_py/c95bx82/" id="CommentTopMeta--Created--t1_c95bx82" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="_1sA-1jNHouHDpgCp1fCQ_F"><span>6 years ago</span></a><div class="_2LeW9tc_6Fs1n7Ou8uD-70"></div></div><div data-test-id="comment" class="_3cjCphgls6DH-irkVaA0GM"><div theme="[object Object]" style="color:#1A1A1B" class="_292iotee39Lmt0MkQZ2hPV RichTextJSON-root"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">I recommend option 1 for most cases. We usually include an <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">api.py</code> module that puts in the convenience imports that one would otherwise put into the <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">__init__.py</code>. Many users of the <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">foo.bar</code> package will do <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">from foo.bar.api import FooBar</code>. Others that want more control will do <code class="_34q3PgLsx9zIU5BiSOjFoM">from foo.bar.foo_bar import FooBar</code>.</p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div id="t1_c95cwe4" style="padding-left:16px" tabindex="-1" class="_3sf33-9rVAO_v4y0pIW_CH "><div class="_1DooEIX-1Nj5rweIc5cw_E"><div class="_3Wv3am0TXfTcugZJ6niui"><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95cwe4"><i class="threadline"></i></div></div></div><div class="P8SGAKMtRxNwlmLz1zdJu Comment t1_c95cwe4 _1z5rdmX8TDr6mqwNv7A70U"><div class="_1E9mcoVn4MYnuBQSVDt1gC kB7GZ7EzNg1Msq-nEnY0z"><button aria-label="upvote" aria-pressed="false" class="voteButton _2m5vzALl8kQdr9kwIFUo5t " data-click-id="upvote"><span class="_3wVayy5JvIMI67DheMYra2 _3SUsITjKNQ7Tp0Wi2jGxIM _22nWXKAY6OzAfK5GcUqWV2 qW0l8Af61EP35WIG6vnGk _3edNsMs0PNfyQYofMNVhsG"><i class="icon icon-upvote _2Jxk822qXs4DaXwsN7yyHA _39UOLMgvssWenwbRxz_iEn"></i></span></button><button aria-label="downvote" aria-pressed="false" class="voteButton _2m5vzALl8kQdr9kwIFUo5t " data-click-id="downvote"><span class="jR747Vd1NbfaLusf5bHre Q0BxYHtCOJ_rNSPJMU2Y7 _22nWXKAY6OzAfK5GcUqWV2 _2fe-KdD2OM0ciaiux-G1EL _3yQIOwaIuF6gn8db96Gu7y"><i class="icon icon-downvote ZyxIIl4FP5gHGrJDzNpUC _2GCoZTwJW7199HSwNZwlHk"></i></span></button></div><div class="_3tw__eCCe7j-epNCKGXUKk "><span class="_1RIl585IYPW6cmNXwgRz0J">level 1</span><div class="_1S45SPAIb30fsXtEcKPSdt _3ezOJqKdLbgkHsXcfvS5SA "><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa">2 points</span><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa"> · </span><a href="/r/Python/comments/1bbbwk/whats_your_opinion_on_what_to_include_in_init_py/c95cwe4/" id="CommentTopMeta--Created--t1_c95cwe4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="_1sA-1jNHouHDpgCp1fCQ_F"><span>6 years ago</span></a><div class="_2LeW9tc_6Fs1n7Ou8uD-70"></div></div><div data-test-id="comment" class="_3cjCphgls6DH-irkVaA0GM"><div theme="[object Object]" style="color:#1A1A1B" class="_292iotee39Lmt0MkQZ2hPV RichTextJSON-root"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">I'm personally a fan of how <a href="https://github.com/mitsuhiko/werkzeug/blob/master/werkzeug/__init__.py" class="_3t5uN8xUmg0TOwRCOGQEcU" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow ugc" target="_blank">Werkzeug does things</a>, and use it in my own projects. It allows for the the explicit import style of (1), but also allows (3) for convenience if you prefer that.</p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div id="t1_c95hxkn" style="padding-left:37px" tabindex="-1" class="_3sf33-9rVAO_v4y0pIW_CH "><div class="_1DooEIX-1Nj5rweIc5cw_E"><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95cwe4"><i class="threadline"></i></div><div class="_3Wv3am0TXfTcugZJ6niui"><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95hxkn"><i class="threadline"></i></div></div></div><div class="P8SGAKMtRxNwlmLz1zdJu Comment t1_c95hxkn "><div class="_1E9mcoVn4MYnuBQSVDt1gC kB7GZ7EzNg1Msq-nEnY0z"><button aria-label="upvote" aria-pressed="false" class="voteButton _2m5vzALl8kQdr9kwIFUo5t " data-click-id="upvote"><span class="_3wVayy5JvIMI67DheMYra2 _3SUsITjKNQ7Tp0Wi2jGxIM _22nWXKAY6OzAfK5GcUqWV2 qW0l8Af61EP35WIG6vnGk _3edNsMs0PNfyQYofMNVhsG"><i class="icon icon-upvote _2Jxk822qXs4DaXwsN7yyHA _39UOLMgvssWenwbRxz_iEn"></i></span></button><button aria-label="downvote" 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style="color:#1A1A1B" class="_292iotee39Lmt0MkQZ2hPV RichTextJSON-root"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">Well that is rather clever (what else would you expect from mitsuhiko) but unfortunately completely bamboozles code intelligence tools (IDEs, static analyzers and such)</p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div id="continueThread-t1_c95hxkn" style="padding-left:42px" tabindex="-1" class="_3sf33-9rVAO_v4y0pIW_CH "><div class="_1DooEIX-1Nj5rweIc5cw_E"><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95cwe4"><i class="threadline"></i></div><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95hxkn"><i class="threadline"></i></div></div><div class="_3ndawrYzcvjHPJFYUHijfP "><a class="b57A3J7QBa7TvY8XeupVn" href="/r/Python/comments/1bbbwk/whats_your_opinion_on_what_to_include_in_init_py/c95hxkn"><span class="_2bsN7AuzEexqxXD-vhOkM7">Continue this thread</span> <svg class="egHA5MD_goQfvgLP3zgST" viewBox="0 0 11.4 11.4" version="1.1" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path 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_3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa"> · </span><a href="/r/Python/comments/1bbbwk/whats_your_opinion_on_what_to_include_in_init_py/c95lpk0/" id="CommentTopMeta--Created--t1_c95lpk0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="_1sA-1jNHouHDpgCp1fCQ_F"><span>6 years ago</span></a><div class="_2LeW9tc_6Fs1n7Ou8uD-70"></div></div><div data-test-id="comment" class="_3cjCphgls6DH-irkVaA0GM"><div theme="[object Object]" style="color:#1A1A1B" class="_292iotee39Lmt0MkQZ2hPV RichTextJSON-root"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">Any chance you could post/add the links you found in regards to packaging and publishing? I'm new to it as well, and haven't found anything helpful so far</p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div id="t1_c95mva7" style="padding-left:37px" tabindex="-1" class="_3sf33-9rVAO_v4y0pIW_CH "><div class="_1DooEIX-1Nj5rweIc5cw_E"><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95lpk0"><i class="threadline"></i></div><div class="_3Wv3am0TXfTcugZJ6niui"><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95mva7"><i class="threadline"></i></div></div></div><div class="P8SGAKMtRxNwlmLz1zdJu Comment t1_c95mva7 "><div class="_1E9mcoVn4MYnuBQSVDt1gC kB7GZ7EzNg1Msq-nEnY0z"><button aria-label="upvote" aria-pressed="false" class="voteButton _2m5vzALl8kQdr9kwIFUo5t " data-click-id="upvote"><span class="_3wVayy5JvIMI67DheMYra2 _3SUsITjKNQ7Tp0Wi2jGxIM _22nWXKAY6OzAfK5GcUqWV2 qW0l8Af61EP35WIG6vnGk _3edNsMs0PNfyQYofMNVhsG"><i class="icon icon-upvote _2Jxk822qXs4DaXwsN7yyHA _39UOLMgvssWenwbRxz_iEn"></i></span></button><button aria-label="downvote" aria-pressed="false" class="voteButton _2m5vzALl8kQdr9kwIFUo5t " data-click-id="downvote"><span class="jR747Vd1NbfaLusf5bHre Q0BxYHtCOJ_rNSPJMU2Y7 _22nWXKAY6OzAfK5GcUqWV2 _2fe-KdD2OM0ciaiux-G1EL _3yQIOwaIuF6gn8db96Gu7y"><i class="icon icon-downvote ZyxIIl4FP5gHGrJDzNpUC _2GCoZTwJW7199HSwNZwlHk"></i></span></button></div><div class="_3tw__eCCe7j-epNCKGXUKk "><span class="_1RIl585IYPW6cmNXwgRz0J">level 2</span><div class="_1S45SPAIb30fsXtEcKPSdt _3ezOJqKdLbgkHsXcfvS5SA "><i class="icon icon-op _3mrrZsVUDI2b3p1rpkjbph _2pZswNTz_uW46hN02djL7j" id="CommentTopMeta--OP--t1_c95mva7"><span class="_37iEJpUpWXN00_fpZKHglg">Original Poster</span></i><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa">1 point</span><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa"> · </span><a href="/r/Python/comments/1bbbwk/whats_your_opinion_on_what_to_include_in_init_py/c95mva7/" id="CommentTopMeta--Created--t1_c95mva7" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="_1sA-1jNHouHDpgCp1fCQ_F"><span>6 years ago</span></a><div class="_2LeW9tc_6Fs1n7Ou8uD-70"></div></div><div data-test-id="comment" class="_3cjCphgls6DH-irkVaA0GM"><div theme="[object Object]" style="color:#1A1A1B" class="_292iotee39Lmt0MkQZ2hPV RichTextJSON-root"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">Hi, I edited them into the post.</p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div id="t1_c95l19l" style="padding-left:16px" tabindex="-1" class="_3sf33-9rVAO_v4y0pIW_CH "><div class="_1DooEIX-1Nj5rweIc5cw_E"><div class="_3Wv3am0TXfTcugZJ6niui"><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95l19l"><i class="threadline"></i></div></div></div><div class="P8SGAKMtRxNwlmLz1zdJu Comment t1_c95l19l _1z5rdmX8TDr6mqwNv7A70U"><div class="_1E9mcoVn4MYnuBQSVDt1gC kB7GZ7EzNg1Msq-nEnY0z"><button aria-label="upvote" aria-pressed="false" class="voteButton _2m5vzALl8kQdr9kwIFUo5t " data-click-id="upvote"><span class="_3wVayy5JvIMI67DheMYra2 _3SUsITjKNQ7Tp0Wi2jGxIM _22nWXKAY6OzAfK5GcUqWV2 qW0l8Af61EP35WIG6vnGk _3edNsMs0PNfyQYofMNVhsG"><i class="icon icon-upvote _2Jxk822qXs4DaXwsN7yyHA _39UOLMgvssWenwbRxz_iEn"></i></span></button><button aria-label="downvote" aria-pressed="false" class="voteButton _2m5vzALl8kQdr9kwIFUo5t " data-click-id="downvote"><span class="jR747Vd1NbfaLusf5bHre Q0BxYHtCOJ_rNSPJMU2Y7 _22nWXKAY6OzAfK5GcUqWV2 _2fe-KdD2OM0ciaiux-G1EL _3yQIOwaIuF6gn8db96Gu7y"><i class="icon icon-downvote ZyxIIl4FP5gHGrJDzNpUC _2GCoZTwJW7199HSwNZwlHk"></i></span></button></div><div class="_3tw__eCCe7j-epNCKGXUKk "><span class="_1RIl585IYPW6cmNXwgRz0J">level 1</span><div class="_1S45SPAIb30fsXtEcKPSdt _3ezOJqKdLbgkHsXcfvS5SA "><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa">2 points</span><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa"> · </span><a href="/r/Python/comments/1bbbwk/whats_your_opinion_on_what_to_include_in_init_py/c95l19l/" id="CommentTopMeta--Created--t1_c95l19l" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="_1sA-1jNHouHDpgCp1fCQ_F"><span>6 years ago</span></a><div class="_2LeW9tc_6Fs1n7Ou8uD-70"></div></div><div data-test-id="comment" class="_3cjCphgls6DH-irkVaA0GM"><div theme="[object Object]" style="color:#1A1A1B" class="_292iotee39Lmt0MkQZ2hPV RichTextJSON-root"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">Exposing the internal package structure is unnecessary and it is impossible to refactor it without breaking dependent client code. However this isn't much of an issue for functions/classes which are used package internal anyway. One Python feature I almost entirely refuse is relative imports ( both implicit and explicit - everything is imported from the root package, as in Java ) but this is another topic.</p><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">About Alex Martelli's objection. I wonder what he thinks about the way Wikipedia or Sphinx handles namespaces where the <em class="_7s4syPYtk5hfUIjySXcRE">engine</em> is responsible for the wiring and the user for providing unique names. I even remember a discussion on Lambda The Ultimate where Sean McDirmid suggested to kill modules and imports entirely in favor for wikiword style linking.</p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div id="t1_c95m6hj" style="padding-left:16px" tabindex="-1" class="_3sf33-9rVAO_v4y0pIW_CH "><div class="_1DooEIX-1Nj5rweIc5cw_E"><div class="_3Wv3am0TXfTcugZJ6niui"><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95m6hj"><i class="threadline"></i></div></div></div><div class="P8SGAKMtRxNwlmLz1zdJu Comment t1_c95m6hj _1z5rdmX8TDr6mqwNv7A70U"><div class="_1E9mcoVn4MYnuBQSVDt1gC kB7GZ7EzNg1Msq-nEnY0z"><button aria-label="upvote" aria-pressed="false" class="voteButton _2m5vzALl8kQdr9kwIFUo5t " data-click-id="upvote"><span class="_3wVayy5JvIMI67DheMYra2 _3SUsITjKNQ7Tp0Wi2jGxIM _22nWXKAY6OzAfK5GcUqWV2 qW0l8Af61EP35WIG6vnGk _3edNsMs0PNfyQYofMNVhsG"><i class="icon icon-upvote _2Jxk822qXs4DaXwsN7yyHA _39UOLMgvssWenwbRxz_iEn"></i></span></button><button aria-label="downvote" aria-pressed="false" class="voteButton _2m5vzALl8kQdr9kwIFUo5t " data-click-id="downvote"><span class="jR747Vd1NbfaLusf5bHre Q0BxYHtCOJ_rNSPJMU2Y7 _22nWXKAY6OzAfK5GcUqWV2 _2fe-KdD2OM0ciaiux-G1EL _3yQIOwaIuF6gn8db96Gu7y"><i class="icon icon-downvote ZyxIIl4FP5gHGrJDzNpUC _2GCoZTwJW7199HSwNZwlHk"></i></span></button></div><div class="_3tw__eCCe7j-epNCKGXUKk "><span class="_1RIl585IYPW6cmNXwgRz0J">level 1</span><div class="_1S45SPAIb30fsXtEcKPSdt _3ezOJqKdLbgkHsXcfvS5SA "><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa">2 points</span><span class="_2ETuFsVzMBxiHia6HfJCTQ _3_GZIIN1xcMEC5AVuv4kfa"> · </span><a href="/r/Python/comments/1bbbwk/whats_your_opinion_on_what_to_include_in_init_py/c95m6hj/" id="CommentTopMeta--Created--t1_c95m6hj" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="_1sA-1jNHouHDpgCp1fCQ_F"><span>6 years ago</span></a><div class="_2LeW9tc_6Fs1n7Ou8uD-70"></div></div><div data-test-id="comment" class="_3cjCphgls6DH-irkVaA0GM"><div theme="[object Object]" style="color:#1A1A1B" class="_292iotee39Lmt0MkQZ2hPV RichTextJSON-root"><p class="_1qeIAgB0cPwnLhDF9XSiJM">Hi! Where can I read a good writeup about the file structure of Python projects? This <strong class="_12FoOEddL7j_RgMQN0SNeU">init</strong>.py confuses me a lot. I don't when or how I should make it. I just learned the basics of the language, but Ive been coding for a long time. I'm now doing some reading on functional programming (right now Im on decorators)</p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div id="t1_c95mn4c" style="padding-left:37px" tabindex="-1" class="_3sf33-9rVAO_v4y0pIW_CH "><div class="_1DooEIX-1Nj5rweIc5cw_E"><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95m6hj"><i class="threadline"></i></div><div class="_3Wv3am0TXfTcugZJ6niui"><div class="_36AIN2ppxy_z-XSDxTvYj5 t1_c95mn4c"><i class="threadline"></i></div></div></div><div class="P8SGAKMtRxNwlmLz1zdJu Comment t1_c95mn4c "><div class="_1E9mcoVn4MYnuBQSVDt1gC kB7GZ7EzNg1Msq-nEnY0z"><button aria-label="upvote" aria-pressed="false" class="voteButton _2m5vzALl8kQdr9kwIFUo5t " data-click-id="upvote"><span class="_3wVayy5JvIMI67DheMYra2 _3SUsITjKNQ7Tp0Wi2jGxIM _22nWXKAY6OzAfK5GcUqWV2 qW0l8Af61EP35WIG6vnGk _3edNsMs0PNfyQYofMNVhsG"><i class="icon icon-upvote _2Jxk822qXs4DaXwsN7yyHA _39UOLMgvssWenwbRxz_iEn"></i></span></button><button aria-label="downvote" aria-pressed="false" 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